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Judith P. Butler, Ernesto Laclau, and Reinaldo, Jose Laddaga -
The Uses of Equality - Diacritics 27:1
The following exchange between Judith Butler (who at the time was in
Irvine, California) and Ernesto Laclau (in Essex, England) took place
during the months of May and June of 1995. Ernesto Laclau, born in
Argentina, is well known for his Hegemony and Socialist Strategy,
published in 1985 in collaboration with Chantal Mouffe. The work starts
off by critically examining the concept of "hegemony" within a Marxist
tradition, and it ends by proposing a socialist strategy that not only
takes into account the criticism posited against the Marxist tradition
of the last three decades, but also the emergence of new social and
political fronts. Hegemony manifests a motive that is felt in the
background of the following discussion: a politics of "radical democracy"
(a term introduced in the book) should aspire to preserve the conflictive
character of all social processes if it intends to avoid becoming a
totalitarian system. In other words, a politics of a "radical democracy"
should remain faithful to the dictum stated by the German poet Paul Celan:
"build on inconsistencies." It is evident that Laclau and Judith Butler,
the North American author of Gender Trouble (1990) and its sequel,
Bodies That Matter (1993), share this position. In these works,
Butler advocates the reactivation of the concept of "interpellation" in
order to expose the ways in which any given subject is "engendered." The
performative constitution of a subject, according to Butler, is defined
through a reiterative convocation or "interpellation," which continuously
exhorts the subject to adhere to a gender norm. Not all sequences and
efforts at interpellation, however, are completely successful; hence
the need for notions of "deviations" in contrast to the norm. This
theoretical standpoint facilitated a deconstruction of social gender
norms and addressed issues raised by the gay and lesbian communities. In
Bodies That Matter, however, a growing emphasis was placed on the
articulation of the task at hand within a broader field of the democratic
claims of minorities. Here, references to Mouffe and Laclau and to the
concepts of "articulation" and "hegemony" were increasingly necessary.
The link between Butler and Laclau was extended by the dialogue that
follows. An example of this is the notion that all identities constitute
themselves by differentiation. However, differentiation immediately
implies antagonism. Identities exist because there are differences
in strength, antagonism, and finally, in hegemony. According to both
Butler and Laclau, the social constitutes itself as the space in which
hegemonic relations unfold. Nevertheless, it is characteristic of any
hegemonic position to never gain stability: any hegemonic position is
always exposed to the risk of being subverted. Thus the recurrence of
two issues that play a role in the following discussion: the existence of
hegemonic relations and, hence, exclusion, found in the social domain. But
since no particular exclusion is based on "the nature of things," or can
be ultimately justified, no exclusion can be definite, and no politics
can achieve a final form. It is within the gap between the recognition
that exclusion always exists in the social domain, and the rupture it
provokes--that is to say, between the affirmation that no situation is
purely structured and that no structure formation is ever complete--that
perhaps the program of radical democracy unfolds.
Equality, as a signifier and as a thing--if it exists--was the topic
proposed to Butler and Laclau: their dialogue exceeds our original
expectations.
Reinaldo Laddaga
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What's the political value, today, of the use of the signifier
"equality"? Considering the poststructuralist elaboration of
"difference," how does "equality" work today in gender and/or race
politics? "Difference" has been, for more than a decade, the key word
for a certain number of programs related to radical democracy. Certainly,
"difference" has given space to the constitution of new types of social
solidarity. Recently, however, some reservations on the extension of
the term have been published. Chantal Mouffe--in her introduction to
Dimensions of Radical Democracy--has stated that "all differences
cannot be accepted" in order "for pluralism to be made compatible with the
struggle against inequality." Mouffe doesn't clarify, in this particular
text, the criteria with which to discriminate between "acceptable"
and "nonacceptable" (or, maybe, "pertinent" and "nonpertinent")
differences, neither does she give a nonequivocal definition of
"equality." Both are tasks that seem crucial for the project of a radical
democracy. On his part, Alain Badiou has written that "aujourd'hui,
le concept de liberté n'a pas de valeur immédiate de
saisie, parce qu'il est captif du liberalisme, de la doctrine des
libertés parlamentaires et commerciales," such that "le vieux
mot de l'égalité est aujourd'hui le meilleur" for "une
politique d'émancipation post-marxiste-léniniste." Would
you agree with Badiou's affirmation?
I understand, on my part, that "equality" has received in radical
democratic theory, and in recent gay/lesbian and race theory, a treatment
much less detailed than "freedom" or even "fraternity" (in the form of the
problem of the constitution of counterhegemonic types of community). How
do you interpret this fact? What sense can we make of "equality" in the
context of progressive politics today?
RL
Dear Ernesto,
Sorry to begin this a day late, but too many interruptions happened
yesterday. Ernesto, I'm very pleased to be in touch, and hope all is well
there (I tried to call you when I was last in England but got a recording
from a business that was trying to sell telephones . . . struck me as
a telephonic mise en abyme).
We are asked to begin a conversation on equality, and on the problem of
acceptable and unacceptable differences. I hardly know where to begin,
and think that you would probably join me in the sense of unease that
follows from being asked to decide what kinds of differences ought to
be included in an ideal polity, and what kinds of differences undermine
the very possibility of polity, perhaps even the very ideality without
which no democratic notion of polity can proceed. I am a bit perplexed
as well by the question of whether or not the notion of inclusion and
exclusion, which I know has occupied your work for some time now, is
strictly correlated to the notion of equality. So perhaps I will start by
offering a set of distinctions between "inclusiveness" and "equality." It
seems to me that inclusiveness is an ideal, an ideal that is impossible
to realize, but whose unrealizability nevertheless governs the way in
which a radical democratic project proceeds.
I gather that one of the reasons, or the key reason, why inclusiveness is
bound to fail is precisely because the various differences that are to be
included within the polity are not given in advance. They are, crucially,
in the process of being formulated and elaborated, and that there is no
way to circumscribe in advance the form that an ideal of inclusiveness
would take. This openness or incompleteness that constitutes the ideal
of inclusion is precisely an effect of the unrealized status of what is
or will be the content of what is to be included. In this sense, then,
inclusion as an ideal must be constituted by its
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own impossibility; indeed, it must be committed to its own impossibility
in order to proceed along the path of realization.
Equality is, of course, a strange concept when thought in relation
to this model (a model that I take to be derived from your thinking
on this issue, as well as Chantal Mouffe's). Equality would not be
the equalization of given differences. That formulation suggests
that differences are to be understood as tantamount to specificities
or particularities. And the point of a futural re-elaboration of the
notion of equality would be to hold out the possibility that we do not
yet know who or what might make a claim to equality, where and when the
doctrine of equality might apply, and that the field of its operation is
neither given nor closed. The volatility of the Equal Protection Clause
in the US Constitution gives evidence of this in an interesting way. Is
it the case that those who are addressed by "hate speech" are deprived
of their abilities to participate equally in the public sphere? Some
feminists, such as Catharine MacKinnon, argue that pornography ought
to be opposed because it produces an epistemic atmosphere in which
women are not entitled to exercise their rights of equal treatment and
participation. Although I oppose MacKinnon's view (and her understanding
of the performative operation of representation), I do appreciate the way
in which the doctrine of equality becomes a site of contestation within
recent US constitutional debates. It suggests that we do not yet know
when and where the claim to equality might emerge, and it holds out the
possibility for a futural articulation of that doctrine.
So, in one sense, then, it seems that the notion of equality would proceed
undemocratically if we claim to know in advance who might make use of
its claim, and what kinds of issues fall within its purview. And this
relates to the ideal of an impossible inclusiveness: who is included
among those who might make the claim to equality? What kinds of issues
undermine the very possibility of certain groups making such a claim?
But this then raises a different question, namely, are exclusions always
to be overcome, and are there certain kinds of exclusions without
which no polity can proceed? How might we enumerate such excluded
possibilities? Certainly, some kinds of crimes are and ought to be
punishable, excluded from the realm of the acceptable, and certainly
there are taboos--foreclosures in the Lacanian sense--without which
no subject can function as a subject. The "inclusion" of all excluded
possibilities would lead to psychosis, to a radically unlivable life,
and to the destruction of polity as we understand it. So if we accept,
as I think we both do, that there is no polity, no sociality, no field
of the political, without certain kinds of exclusions having already been
made--constitutive exclusions that produce a constitutive outside to any
ideal of inclusiveness--that does not mean that we accept all sorts of
exclusions as legitimate. It would be unwarranted to conclude that just
because some exclusions are inevitable all exclusions are justified. But
that then gets us into the tricky territory of the problem of justifying
exclusions. And here I am compelled to turn the conversation over to
you. . . .
Dear Judith,
Thank you, Judith. I largely agree with you. Let me complement your
analysis with three remarks. The first concerns the relationship between
equality and difference. Not only do I think that these two notions
are not incompatible but I would even add that the proliferation of
differences is the precondition for the expansion of the logic of
equality. To say that two things are equal--i.e., equivalent to each
other in some respects--presupposes that they are different from each
other in some other respects (otherwise there would be no equality but
identity). In the political field equality is a type of discourse which
tries to deal with differences; it is a way of organizing them, if you
want. To assert, for instance, the right of all national minorities to
self-determination is to assert that these
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minorities are equivalent (or equal) to each other. As a general rule
I would say that the more fragmented a social identity is, the less
it overlaps with the community as a whole, and the more it will have
to negotiate its location within that community in terms of rights
(i.e., in terms of a discourse of equality which transcends the
group in question). That is why I think that a politics of pure
particularism is self-defeating. On the other hand I think it is necessary
to differentiate those situations in which an anti-egalitarian politics
takes place through the imposition of a dominant and uniform canon
(this is the situation confronted today by multicultural struggles in
the Anglo-Saxon world) from those in which the discrimination takes
place by violently asserting differences, as in the idea of "separate
developments" which constituted the core of apartheid. This means that,
depending on the circumstances, equality can lead to a reinforcement of
the weakening of differences.
My second remark concerns the question of exclusion. I agree with you
that the ideal of total equality is unreachable and, also, that a society
without any kind of exclusion would be a psychotic universe. What I would
like to add is that the need for exclusion is inscribed in the structure
of all decision making. As I have tried to show elsewhere, a decision,
in order to be a decision, has to be taken in a structurally undecidable
terrain--otherwise, if the decision was predetermined by the structure it
would not be my decision. The precondition of a decision is that
actual choice is not algorithmically prefigured. But in that case, if the
decision is its own ground, the discarded alternatives have been simply
put aside, that is, excluded. If we pass from individual to collective
decisions this is even more clear, for the excluded alternative could
have been preferred by certain groups of people, and so exclusion shows a
dimension of repression which was concealed in the individual decision. I
would add that a society without exclusions is impossible for more basic
reasons than being an empirically unreachable ideal: it is also logically
impossible as far as the social is constructed through decisions taken
in an undecidable terrain. We can deal as democratically as possible
with exclusion (for instance, through the principle of majority, or
through the protection of minorities), but this cannot conceal the fact
that politics is, to a large extent, a series of negotiations around
the principle of exclusion which is always there as the ineradicable
terrain of the social. As usual, determinatio est negatio.
This leads me to my third remark. We have been asked for a criterion to
determine those differences which are acceptable from those which are
not. Now, this can be interpreted in various ways. It could involve,
for instance, the request for a strict ethical criterion, independent
of any context. If it was so, the only possible answer would be that no
such criterion could be given. It could also be a question about social
ethics--namely, what differences are compatible with the actual workings
of a society. This would be a more pertinent question because it makes
possible a historicist answer. The gist of my answer would be to say
that the very criterion of what is acceptable or not is the locus of a
multiplicity of social struggles and that it is wrong to try to give any
kind of decontextualized response. Obviously this is not an answer to
the question "how would you draw the frontier between the acceptable and
the not acceptable in Western European societies today?," but it allows
us to at least discriminate between pertinent and nonpertinent questions.
Ernesto
Dear Ernesto,
Thanks for your response. I would like to concentrate on the last two
points you made, one concerning exclusion and its role in any decision
making, and the other, concerning how
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one might decide what kinds of exclusions must be made for equality
to remain an active ideal. I think that these two are linked in an
interesting way, and the link is suggested to me by your focus on making
"decisions" in both contexts.
I think that you are right in claiming that no decision can be a decision
if it is determined in advance by a structure of some kind. For there
to be a decision means that there must be some contingency, which is
not the same as saying that there must be radical contingency. I take
it that the relative determination of structure is what differentiates
a position such as yours from a more existentialist or conventionally
liberal individualist view on decision making. Indeed, is it not possible
to elaborate a notion of "context"--invoked in your response to the
question of how best to decide what ought and ought not to be included
in a polity and the inadmissibility of certain "differences"? It seems
clear that a decontextualized answer to the question of what ought not
to be included is impossible, and I think that the effort to elaborate
principles that are radically context-free, as some "proceduralists"
seek to do, is simply to embed the context in the principle, and then
to rarify the principle so that its embedded context is no longer
legible. And yet, this still leaves us with a quandary, since I would
imagine that you find the Derridean questions raised in "Signature,
Event, Context" about the "illimitability" of contexts to be persuasive,
as I do. I think that contexts are in some ways produced by decisions,
that is, that there is a certain redoubling of decision making in the
situation (the context?) in which one is asked to decide what kinds of
differences ought not to be included in a given polity. There is first
the decision to mark or delimit the context in which such a decision
will be made, and then there is the marking off of certain kinds of
differences as inadmissible. The first decision is not itself without
a context, but it would be subject to the same infinite regression as
the second, since there would be no original or defining context that
is not at once delimited by a decision of some kind.
I think it is a mistake to think that we might be able to list "kinds
of differences" that are inadmissible, not only because you and I do
not have the power to make such decisions, but because the form of the
question misreads both what a decision is, and what we might mean by
"differences." If there is, as you say, no decision without exclusion,
without something being foreclosed, and a set of possibilities being
framed, brought into relief through that foreclosure, then exclusion,
as you say, makes decision-making possible. So perhaps the question is,
what kinds of exclusions make decision-making possible, and is making a
"decision" to be valued in such a way that certain kinds of exclusions
ought to remain constitutive exclusions? This reminds me of Nietzsche's
question: how does man become an animal capable of making promises? How
do any of us become (through a certain kind of constitutive foreclosure)
the kinds of beings who can and do make decisions? I don't mean to
bypass entirely the question posed to us, about the inadmissibility of
certain "differences," but I continue to have a difficult time reading
the question. I wonder whether it is a question of "differences,"
understood as particular kinds of identities or group formations,
or whether what we want to do is to keep the field of differences at
play, in contestation, and that what is referred to under the rubric of
"inadmissible differences" is really something which puts a freeze on
the play of differences. I look forward to your further thoughts.
Judith
Dear Judith and Ernesto,
Thank you for your comments. One very brief remark. When I mentioned
Mouffe's statement it was not my intention to force you to decide which
differences would be acceptable (a demand that would be manifestly
nonpertinent) but to point to a certain
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indetermination--an indetermination that could even be considered
desirable--in the uses of "equality" in the context of radical
democratic theory. I would prefer my question to be read in this sense:
how to freeze the play of differences--to use Judith's terms--and still
maintain "equality" as an "active ideal." How do we conceive a political
identity which doesn't put a freeze on (which doesn't homogenize)
the play of differences internal to itself? And, finally, do we have
(and, more fundamentally, do we need) a definition of "equality" that
is not "conventionally liberal"? You have already begun to answer these
questions, I think . . .
RL
Dear Judith,
Let me first answer some of the points raised by Reinaldo Laddaga in his
last message, which can serve as an introduction to my reactions to your
comments. First, I think that the play of differences is at the same
time an opening and a freezing of that play. I say this, because I
do not think that something such as an unrestricted play of differences
can be maintained, not even as an active ideal. I can only open up
the terrain of some historical possibilities by closing others. This
is equivalent to saying that it is politics, rather than the notion
of uncontaminated presence, that organizes social relations. On the
other hand, I do not understand what a "play of differences 'internal'
to itself" could be. If identity means difference, then the idea of a
"play of differences" internal to difference is something I do not fully
grasp. Instead, I think that the play of differences subverts any rigid
frontier between the internal and the external. This leads me to a terrain
within which I approach the last two questions from Reinaldo. I would
locate the notion of equality--from the point of view of the latter's
constitutive structuration--within the field of what I have called the
"logic of equivalence"; that is, a process by which the differential
nature of all identity is at the same time asserted and subverted. Now,
a chain of equivalences is by its very definition constitutively open;
there is no way of establishing its boundaries in a decontextualized
universe. (Trying to do the latter would be, quoting Quine, something
like asking how many points in Ohio are starting points.) Politics is,
in this respect, a double operation of breaking and extending chains of
equivalence. Any determinate political process in a concrete context is,
precisely, an attempt to partially extend equivalences and to partially
limit their indefinite expansion. I see liberalism as an attempt to fix
the meaning of equality within definite parameters (individualism, and
the rigid distinction between public/private, etc.) which are historically
limited and in many respects superseded--and not always in a progressive
direction--by the experience of contemporary politics. How to deconstruct
the basic liberal distinctions while keeping a democratic potential is,
as I see it, the task of radical democratic politics.
I come now, Judith, to your reactions to my comments. I am glad to find
that we are in agreement on most issues. Let us make, at the start,
a point of clarification. I certainly agree with you that "radical
contingency" is an unacceptable notion if we understand by it some
kind of abyss which creates a total lack of structuration. What
we are speaking of as the course of contingency is, rather, a
failed structuration. Thus, contingency--if it is properly
contextualized--should be reinscribed within the most primary field of
the distinction necessary (contextual necessity, of course, not
logical or causal necessity)/contingent. However, having constructed
contingency in this way, I would still say that it is radical in the
sense that within the limits of a partially destructured context
it can only appeal to itself as its own source. Would you buy this?
This leads me to the important issues that you raise, starting with your
critique of "proceduralism"--a critique which I subscribe to. I think
that the questions that Derrida
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poses in "Signature, Event, Context" need to be answered and to be
very attentive to the double dimension that they open. On the one
hand, he is saying that it is not possible to, strictly speaking,
attribute closed boundaries to a context. However, as his is not
an argument for a return to a Platonic, decontextualized meaning,
the very impossibility of delimiting contexts are all we are left
with. They have to be defined by their limits, and yet these limits
are impossible. Everything here turns around this evanescent object,
the "limit," which is something like the presence of an absence. Or,
to put it in Kantian terms, an object which shows itself through
the impossibility of an adequate representation. Now, my own view is
that if this limit is impossible but also necessary--something
like Lacan's "objet petit a"--it will have to, one way or the other,
enter into the field of representation. But as it is necessary yet
also impossible its representation will be constitutively
inadequate. A particular difference within the limits will
always have to assume the role of limit and, in this way, to fix
(to close within itself) a transient context. This relation of
fixity/unfixity by which an "ontic" content assumes the "ontological"
function of constituting a transient context is, as you know, what
I call a hegemonic relation. As you see, it involves the Derridean
critique of boundaries, but it attempts to prolong it with a notion
of the dialectic between impossibility/necessity which makes possible
the construction of hegemonic contexts.
This gives me a starting point to begin some sort of response to the
questions involved in our exchange. What differences are acceptable
or nonacceptable? We both agree that the question cannot be answered
outside any context and, also, that the notion of context is far from
being an unproblematic one. If contexts, however, are constituted the
way I suggest, you have various advantages: (1) you can make compatible
the ultimate instability of limits with actual limitations; (2) you
have certain rules to decide what will count as a valid inclusion or
exclusion, it will depend on the actual hegemonic configuration of certain
community; (3) this hegemonic configuration is not a simple datum but
the result of the transient articulation between concrete content and
universalization of the community through the construction of a limit
which has no necessary link to that content; that hegemonic configuration
is always open to contestation and change. In this way we can reach a more
democratic view than in the case in which the hegemonic configuration
depended on a noncontingent link between context-limiting/constitution
function and actual content playing that role of limit; (4) finally,
the unevenness that hegemonic games introduce within differential social
identities allows us to solve some of the aporias connected to the "play
of differences," and allows us to approach the logic through which those
differences are constituted in our actual political world. I wait for
your reaction.
Best,
Ernesto
Dear Ernesto,
There is much in your last text to think about, and I hope to be able
to probe some of the questions raised in what follows.
I very much agree with your formulation of the logic of equivalence,
namely, as a "process by which the differential nature of all identity is
at the same time asserted and subverted." And I wonder whether thinking
about equivalence does not significantly alter the kinds of quandaries
brought up by the question of equality. It always seemed to me that you
and Chantal Mouffe were trying to underscore a structural openness (and,
hence, a "poststructuralism") in the problem of identity that would at
once honor the place of identity in contemporary political formations
and yet dishonor its foundational or "ontological" claim. I gather that
the point about contingency that you raise in the
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subsequent paragraph speaks to the question of identity and equivalence
as well: to the extent that all identities fail to be fully structured,
they are each equally (although not substantively or "ontically")
formed through the same constitutive failure. This "same-ness" is
interesting since it is not to be rigorously understood in terms of a
given "content" of identity. On the contrary, it is what guarantees the
failure of any given "content" to successfully lay claim to the status
of the ontological or what I call the "foundational." I understand that
you seek recourse to Lacan to explain this lack or failure, and that
is probably where I would differ with you, a difference in emphasis,
since I think that the failure of any subject formation is an effect of
its iterability, its having to be formed in time, again and again. One
might say, via Althusser, that the ritual through which subjects are
formed is always subject to a rerouting or a lapse by virtue of this
necessity to repeat and reinstall itself.
But I do wonder whether failure, for both of us, does not become a
kind of universal condition (and limit) of subject formation; a way
in which we still seek to assert a common condition which assumes
a transcendental status in relation to particular differences. To
the extent that, no matter what our "difference," we are always only
partially constituted as ourselves (and this, as a result of our
being constituted within a field of differentiations), and to what extent
are we also bound together through this "failure"? How does the limitation
on subject constitution become, oddly, a new source of community or
collectivity or a presumed condition of universality? I would like to
know more about how a contextual necessity is established. Is there a
background or context that forms the tenuous yet necessary horizon of what
we call "context"? Would the context that is also partially destructured,
that does not yet fully assume the status of the ontological, also have a
necessity that, strictly speaking, isn't a logical or causal necessity,
but perhaps a historical necessity of some kind? Is it a spatialized
historical necessity (Benjamin thought that post-teleology history would
have to be read in a landscape)? And what are the conditions under which
such a necessity becomes readable to us as such?
I gather that in your notion of democratic hegemony, there will always
be a radical incommensurability between content and universalization,
but that the two will also always engender one another in some way. The
democratic task would be to keep any given universalization of content
from becoming a final one, that is, from shutting down the temporal
horizon, the futural horizon of universalization itself. If I understand
this correctly, then I agree with it wholeheartedly.
I wonder, then, whether we might conclude our conversation by turning to
the question of the "Americas," a term that figures in the rubric under
which our conversation takes place. I ask it because it is so interesting
to see, for instance, in "American Studies," as it takes place in the
United States, how the borders of the Americas are drawn. It is often
the case that the borders become synonymous with the United States, at
which point the border of the epistemological object, "Americas," encodes
and dissimulates a history of colonialism. Or when it is restricted
to the continent of North America, excluding South America and the
islands in between, there are certain stories one cannot tell about
trade, slavery, and colonial expansion. What becomes interesting is how
we might think about equality under this rubric, where the "subject"
at hand is not exactly an identity, but a political imaginary, where
the very boundaries of what is meant by a pluralized "Americas" remain
importantly uncertain. Clearly the question of equality or, indeed, of
equivalence, cannot be asked of an entity, "the Americas," if the very
delimitation of that phenomenon remains to be known. Or is there a way of
posing the question of equality without claiming to know, in advance, in
what this phenomenon consists? Or even more importantly, is there a way
of posing the question of equality that opens up the question of what the
"Americas" are, what they are to become? How does one press the futural
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possibility wihin the ontic articulation in order to ward off its
foreclosure as the ontological?
Best,
Judith
Dear Judith,
The problems that you raise in your last text would, indeed, require
more thought and space than the limits of this exchange allow me to
give. Let me, however, address some of your basic points.
1. You say, concerning my notion of democratic hegemony, that if you
understand it correctly, then you agree with it wholeheartedly. As a
matter of fact, you have perfectly understood it, so there is no quarrel
between us about this central point of my argument.
2. On our difference of emphasis concerning the failure of any given
content to lay claim to the status of the "foundational," let me say
the following. I entirely agree with you "that the failure to which
any subject formation yields is an effect of its iterability." This
formulation presents, however, an ambiguity. For it is perfectly possible
to think of this iterability as something whose recurrence--or, rather,
linearity--cancels the ontological difference, i.e., whose movement is
at any stage incomplete (and in that sense a failure), but which as a
system does not leave anything outside itself. In that case we would
be in the realm of Hegel's Greater Logic: the failure of each single
stage cannot be represented as such, because its "for itself" is a
higher stage and, ergo, there is never constitutive failure, no ultimate
deadlock. The insistence of Being through its various manifestations is
nothing beyond the sequence of the latter. What, however, if the logic of
the failure/iteration is not the logic of the Aufgehoben, if what
insists in iteration is the contingency of the series, the hopelessness
of its attempt at an ultimate closure? In that case, this moment of
failure, of hopelessness, cannot elude the field of representation. The
variety of the insistence, the presence of the absence of the object
which sustains any possible iteration has to have some form of discursive
presence. The failure of the ontological absorption of all ontic content
opens the way to a constitutive "ontological difference" that makes
power, politics, hegemony, and democracy possible. Now, you think that
this involves, as far as I'm concerned, taking a Lacanian viewpoint. I
am not entirely sure about that. What I am trying to do is to detect the
multiplicity of discursive surfaces in which this irreducible "ontological
difference" shows itself in modern and postmodern philosophy and political
theory. Lacan's theory is certainly one of those surfaces. But I would
not claim that it is the main--let alone the only--one.
3. Finally, "America." As you point out, "America" is some sort of
empty ambiguous signifier: it can mean both South and North America,
but it can also mean only the latter. This means that (North) American
functions as an unmarked term, while the series of suffixes that
construct the mark of the South involves, in its succession, a whole
history of imperialist domination. America without distinctions
was the discourse of subordination of the South to the North: the
Monroe doctrine. "Hispano-America," the name of an older colonialism;
"Ibero-America," the widening of the latter to include Portugal. Finally,
"Latin America" was an invention of French colonialism, at the time of the
Maximilian empire in Mexico, to legitimize an intervention which could
cut the links with both the Iberic past and a rising (North) American
imperialism. The fact that French intervention in the continent had no
future made "Latin-" an innocuous enough prefix for it to function as a
political frontier separating the South from the imperialist interventions
of the North.
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The question, however, which remains to be answered is this: has the
signifier "America" without distinctions, without separation of the South
from the North, any positive role to play as far as the Latin American
peoples are concerned? My answer is no, I do not think there is any
political gain for Latin America in playing around with the possibility
of a community of destiny with the Anglo-American peoples. However, what
about the Afro-American and the Hispanic minorities in North America:
is there, for them, any language game to play around the ambiguities,
the floating character of the signifier "America"? The answer, in
this case, has to be different. It would be definitely wrong to think
that the signifier "America" is, for those groups, once and forever
fixed to the narrow history represented by the white Anglo-American
tradition. Enlargement of the discourse of rights, of pluralist discourses
which recognize the demands of ethnic, national, and sexual groups can
be presented as a widening of freedoms and rights to equality which were
contained in the (North) American political imaginary from its inception,
but which were restricted to limited sections of the population. This
multicultural and free "America" will be the locus of much more ambiguous
and open significations, but it is this openness and ambiguity which
gives its meaning to a democratic political culture.
Best,
Ernesto
Judith Butler teaches in the Department of Rhetoric at the University
of California, Berkeley.
Ernesto Laclau teaches in the Department of Government at the
University
of Essex in England.
Works Cited
Butler, Judith. Bodies That Matter. On the Discursive Limits of
"Sex." New York: Routledge, 1993.
________. Gender Trouble. New York: Routledge, 1990.
Derrida, Jacques. "Signature, Event, Context." Limited
Inc. Trans. Samuel Weber. Evanston: Northwestern UP, 1988. 1-23.
Laclau, Ernesto, and Chantal Mouffe. Hegemony and Socialist Strategy:
Towards a Radical Democratic Politics. Trans. Winston Moore and Paul
Cammack. London: Verso, 1985.
Mouffe, Chantal, ed. Dimensions of Radical Democracy: Pluralism,
Citizenship, Community. London: Verso, 1992.
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Judith P. Butler, Ernesto Laclau, and Reinaldo, Jose Laddaga -
The Uses of Equality - Diacritics 27:1
The following exchange between Judith Butler (who at the time was in
Irvine, California) and Ernesto Laclau (in Essex, England) took place
during the months of May and June of 1995. Ernesto Laclau, born in
Argentina, is well known for his Hegemony and Socialist Strategy,
published in 1985 in collaboration with Chantal Mouffe. The work starts
off by critically examining the concept of "hegemony" within a Marxist
tradition, and it ends by proposing a socialist strategy that not only
takes into account the criticism posited against the Marxist tradition
of the last three decades, but also the emergence of new social and
political fronts. Hegemony manifests a motive that is felt in the
background of the following discussion: a politics of "radical democracy"
(a term introduced in the book) should aspire to preserve the conflictive
character of all social processes if it intends to avoid becoming a
totalitarian system. In other words, a politics of a "radical democracy"
should remain faithful to the dictum stated by the German poet Paul Celan:
"build on inconsistencies." It is evident that Laclau and Judith Butler,
the North American author of Gender Trouble (1990) and its sequel,
Bodies That Matter (1993), share this position. In these works,
Butler advocates the reactivation of the concept of "interpellation" in
order to expose the ways in which any given subject is "engendered." The
performative constitution of a subject, according to Butler, is defined
through a reiterative convocation or "interpellation," which continuously
exhorts the subject to adhere to a gender norm. Not all sequences and
efforts at interpellation, however, are completely successful; hence
the need for notions of "deviations" in contrast to the norm. This
theoretical standpoint facilitated a deconstruction of social gender
norms and addressed issues raised by the gay and lesbian communities. In
Bodies That Matter, however, a growing emphasis was placed on the
articulation of the task at hand within a broader field of the democratic
claims of minorities. Here, references to Mouffe and Laclau and to the
concepts of "articulation" and "hegemony" were increasingly necessary.
The link between Butler and Laclau was extended by the dialogue that
follows. An example of this is the notion that all identities constitute
themselves by differentiation. However, differentiation immediately
implies antagonism. Identities exist because there are differences
in strength, antagonism, and finally, in hegemony. According to both
Butler and Laclau, the social constitutes itself as the space in which
hegemonic relations unfold. Nevertheless, it is characteristic of any
hegemonic position to never gain stability: any hegemonic position is
always exposed to the risk of being subverted. Thus the recurrence of
two issues that play a role in the following discussion: the existence of
hegemonic relations and, hence, exclusion, found in the social domain. But
since no particular exclusion is based on "the nature of things," or can
be ultimately justified, no exclusion can be definite, and no politics
can achieve a final form. It is within the gap between the recognition
that exclusion always exists in the social domain, and the rupture it
provokes--that is to say, between the affirmation that no situation is
purely structured and that no structure formation is ever complete--that
perhaps the program of radical democracy unfolds.
Equality, as a signifier and as a thing--if it exists--was the topic
proposed to Butler and Laclau: their dialogue exceeds our original
expectations.
Reinaldo Laddaga
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What's the political value, today, of the use of the signifier
"equality"? Considering the poststructuralist elaboration of
"difference," how does "equality" work today in gender and/or race
politics? "Difference" has been, for more than a decade, the key word
for a certain number of programs related to radical democracy. Certainly,
"difference" has given space to the constitution of new types of social
solidarity. Recently, however, some reservations on the extension of
the term have been published. Chantal Mouffe--in her introduction to
Dimensions of Radical Democracy--has stated that "all differences
cannot be accepted" in order "for pluralism to be made compatible with the
struggle against inequality." Mouffe doesn't clarify, in this particular
text, the criteria with which to discriminate between "acceptable"
and "nonacceptable" (or, maybe, "pertinent" and "nonpertinent")
differences, neither does she give a nonequivocal definition of
"equality." Both are tasks that seem crucial for the project of a radical
democracy. On his part, Alain Badiou has written that "aujourd'hui,
le concept de liberté n'a pas de valeur immédiate de
saisie, parce qu'il est captif du liberalisme, de la doctrine des
libertés parlamentaires et commerciales," such that "le vieux
mot de l'égalité est aujourd'hui le meilleur" for "une
politique d'émancipation post-marxiste-léniniste." Would
you agree with Badiou's affirmation?
I understand, on my part, that "equality" has received in radical
democratic theory, and in recent gay/lesbian and race theory, a treatment
much less detailed than "freedom" or even "fraternity" (in the form of the
problem of the constitution of counterhegemonic types of community). How
do you interpret this fact? What sense can we make of "equality" in the
context of progressive politics today?
RL
Dear Ernesto,
Sorry to begin this a day late, but too many interruptions happened
yesterday. Ernesto, I'm very pleased to be in touch, and hope all is well
there (I tried to call you when I was last in England but got a recording
from a business that was trying to sell telephones . . . struck me as
a telephonic mise en abyme).
We are asked to begin a conversation on equality, and on the problem of
acceptable and unacceptable differences. I hardly know where to begin,
and think that you would probably join me in the sense of unease that
follows from being asked to decide what kinds of differences ought to
be included in an ideal polity, and what kinds of differences undermine
the very possibility of polity, perhaps even the very ideality without
which no democratic notion of polity can proceed. I am a bit perplexed
as well by the question of whether or not the notion of inclusion and
exclusion, which I know has occupied your work for some time now, is
strictly correlated to the notion of equality. So perhaps I will start by
offering a set of distinctions between "inclusiveness" and "equality." It
seems to me that inclusiveness is an ideal, an ideal that is impossible
to realize, but whose unrealizability nevertheless governs the way in
which a radical democratic project proceeds.
I gather that one of the reasons, or the key reason, why inclusiveness is
bound to fail is precisely because the various differences that are to be
included within the polity are not given in advance. They are, crucially,
in the process of being formulated and elaborated, and that there is no
way to circumscribe in advance the form that an ideal of inclusiveness
would take. This openness or incompleteness that constitutes the ideal
of inclusion is precisely an effect of the unrealized status of what is
or will be the content of what is to be included. In this sense, then,
inclusion as an ideal must be constituted by its
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own impossibility; indeed, it must be committed to its own impossibility
in order to proceed along the path of realization.
Equality is, of course, a strange concept when thought in relation
to this model (a model that I take to be derived from your thinking
on this issue, as well as Chantal Mouffe's). Equality would not be
the equalization of given differences. That formulation suggests
that differences are to be understood as tantamount to specificities
or particularities. And the point of a futural re-elaboration of the
notion of equality would be to hold out the possibility that we do not
yet know who or what might make a claim to equality, where and when the
doctrine of equality might apply, and that the field of its operation is
neither given nor closed. The volatility of the Equal Protection Clause
in the US Constitution gives evidence of this in an interesting way. Is
it the case that those who are addressed by "hate speech" are deprived
of their abilities to participate equally in the public sphere? Some
feminists, such as Catharine MacKinnon, argue that pornography ought
to be opposed because it produces an epistemic atmosphere in which
women are not entitled to exercise their rights of equal treatment and
participation. Although I oppose MacKinnon's view (and her understanding
of the performative operation of representation), I do appreciate the way
in which the doctrine of equality becomes a site of contestation within
recent US constitutional debates. It suggests that we do not yet know
when and where the claim to equality might emerge, and it holds out the
possibility for a futural articulation of that doctrine.
So, in one sense, then, it seems that the notion of equality would proceed
undemocratically if we claim to know in advance who might make use of
its claim, and what kinds of issues fall within its purview. And this
relates to the ideal of an impossible inclusiveness: who is included
among those who might make the claim to equality? What kinds of issues
undermine the very possibility of certain groups making such a claim?
But this then raises a different question, namely, are exclusions always
to be overcome, and are there certain kinds of exclusions without
which no polity can proceed? How might we enumerate such excluded
possibilities? Certainly, some kinds of crimes are and ought to be
punishable, excluded from the realm of the acceptable, and certainly
there are taboos--foreclosures in the Lacanian sense--without which
no subject can function as a subject. The "inclusion" of all excluded
possibilities would lead to psychosis, to a radically unlivable life,
and to the destruction of polity as we understand it. So if we accept,
as I think we both do, that there is no polity, no sociality, no field
of the political, without certain kinds of exclusions having already been
made--constitutive exclusions that produce a constitutive outside to any
ideal of inclusiveness--that does not mean that we accept all sorts of
exclusions as legitimate. It would be unwarranted to conclude that just
because some exclusions are inevitable all exclusions are justified. But
that then gets us into the tricky territory of the problem of justifying
exclusions. And here I am compelled to turn the conversation over to
you. . . .
Dear Judith,
Thank you, Judith. I largely agree with you. Let me complement your
analysis with three remarks. The first concerns the relationship between
equality and difference. Not only do I think that these two notions
are not incompatible but I would even add that the proliferation of
differences is the precondition for the expansion of the logic of
equality. To say that two things are equal--i.e., equivalent to each
other in some respects--presupposes that they are different from each
other in some other respects (otherwise there would be no equality but
identity). In the political field equality is a type of discourse which
tries to deal with differences; it is a way of organizing them, if you
want. To assert, for instance, the right of all national minorities to
self-determination is to assert that these
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minorities are equivalent (or equal) to each other. As a general rule
I would say that the more fragmented a social identity is, the less
it overlaps with the community as a whole, and the more it will have
to negotiate its location within that community in terms of rights
(i.e., in terms of a discourse of equality which transcends the
group in question). That is why I think that a politics of pure
particularism is self-defeating. On the other hand I think it is necessary
to differentiate those situations in which an anti-egalitarian politics
takes place through the imposition of a dominant and uniform canon
(this is the situation confronted today by multicultural struggles in
the Anglo-Saxon world) from those in which the discrimination takes
place by violently asserting differences, as in the idea of "separate
developments" which constituted the core of apartheid. This means that,
depending on the circumstances, equality can lead to a reinforcement of
the weakening of differences.
My second remark concerns the question of exclusion. I agree with you
that the ideal of total equality is unreachable and, also, that a society
without any kind of exclusion would be a psychotic universe. What I would
like to add is that the need for exclusion is inscribed in the structure
of all decision making. As I have tried to show elsewhere, a decision,
in order to be a decision, has to be taken in a structurally undecidable
terrain--otherwise, if the decision was predetermined by the structure it
would not be my decision. The precondition of a decision is that
actual choice is not algorithmically prefigured. But in that case, if the
decision is its own ground, the discarded alternatives have been simply
put aside, that is, excluded. If we pass from individual to collective
decisions this is even more clear, for the excluded alternative could
have been preferred by certain groups of people, and so exclusion shows a
dimension of repression which was concealed in the individual decision. I
would add that a society without exclusions is impossible for more basic
reasons than being an empirically unreachable ideal: it is also logically
impossible as far as the social is constructed through decisions taken
in an undecidable terrain. We can deal as democratically as possible
with exclusion (for instance, through the principle of majority, or
through the protection of minorities), but this cannot conceal the fact
that politics is, to a large extent, a series of negotiations around
the principle of exclusion which is always there as the ineradicable
terrain of the social. As usual, determinatio est negatio.
This leads me to my third remark. We have been asked for a criterion to
determine those differences which are acceptable from those which are
not. Now, this can be interpreted in various ways. It could involve,
for instance, the request for a strict ethical criterion, independent
of any context. If it was so, the only possible answer would be that no
such criterion could be given. It could also be a question about social
ethics--namely, what differences are compatible with the actual workings
of a society. This would be a more pertinent question because it makes
possible a historicist answer. The gist of my answer would be to say
that the very criterion of what is acceptable or not is the locus of a
multiplicity of social struggles and that it is wrong to try to give any
kind of decontextualized response. Obviously this is not an answer to
the question "how would you draw the frontier between the acceptable and
the not acceptable in Western European societies today?," but it allows
us to at least discriminate between pertinent and nonpertinent questions.
Ernesto
Dear Ernesto,
Thanks for your response. I would like to concentrate on the last two
points you made, one concerning exclusion and its role in any decision
making, and the other, concerning how
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one might decide what kinds of exclusions must be made for equality
to remain an active ideal. I think that these two are linked in an
interesting way, and the link is suggested to me by your focus on making
"decisions" in both contexts.
I think that you are right in claiming that no decision can be a decision
if it is determined in advance by a structure of some kind. For there
to be a decision means that there must be some contingency, which is
not the same as saying that there must be radical contingency. I take
it that the relative determination of structure is what differentiates
a position such as yours from a more existentialist or conventionally
liberal individualist view on decision making. Indeed, is it not possible
to elaborate a notion of "context"--invoked in your response to the
question of how best to decide what ought and ought not to be included
in a polity and the inadmissibility of certain "differences"? It seems
clear that a decontextualized answer to the question of what ought not
to be included is impossible, and I think that the effort to elaborate
principles that are radically context-free, as some "proceduralists"
seek to do, is simply to embed the context in the principle, and then
to rarify the principle so that its embedded context is no longer
legible. And yet, this still leaves us with a quandary, since I would
imagine that you find the Derridean questions raised in "Signature,
Event, Context" about the "illimitability" of contexts to be persuasive,
as I do. I think that contexts are in some ways produced by decisions,
that is, that there is a certain redoubling of decision making in the
situation (the context?) in which one is asked to decide what kinds of
differences ought not to be included in a given polity. There is first
the decision to mark or delimit the context in which such a decision
will be made, and then there is the marking off of certain kinds of
differences as inadmissible. The first decision is not itself without
a context, but it would be subject to the same infinite regression as
the second, since there would be no original or defining context that
is not at once delimited by a decision of some kind.
I think it is a mistake to think that we might be able to list "kinds
of differences" that are inadmissible, not only because you and I do
not have the power to make such decisions, but because the form of the
question misreads both what a decision is, and what we might mean by
"differences." If there is, as you say, no decision without exclusion,
without something being foreclosed, and a set of possibilities being
framed, brought into relief through that foreclosure, then exclusion,
as you say, makes decision-making possible. So perhaps the question is,
what kinds of exclusions make decision-making possible, and is making a
"decision" to be valued in such a way that certain kinds of exclusions
ought to remain constitutive exclusions? This reminds me of Nietzsche's
question: how does man become an animal capable of making promises? How
do any of us become (through a certain kind of constitutive foreclosure)
the kinds of beings who can and do make decisions? I don't mean to
bypass entirely the question posed to us, about the inadmissibility of
certain "differences," but I continue to have a difficult time reading
the question. I wonder whether it is a question of "differences,"
understood as particular kinds of identities or group formations,
or whether what we want to do is to keep the field of differences at
play, in contestation, and that what is referred to under the rubric of
"inadmissible differences" is really something which puts a freeze on
the play of differences. I look forward to your further thoughts.
Judith
Dear Judith and Ernesto,
Thank you for your comments. One very brief remark. When I mentioned
Mouffe's statement it was not my intention to force you to decide which
differences would be acceptable (a demand that would be manifestly
nonpertinent) but to point to a certain
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indetermination--an indetermination that could even be considered
desirable--in the uses of "equality" in the context of radical
democratic theory. I would prefer my question to be read in this sense:
how to freeze the play of differences--to use Judith's terms--and still
maintain "equality" as an "active ideal." How do we conceive a political
identity which doesn't put a freeze on (which doesn't homogenize)
the play of differences internal to itself? And, finally, do we have
(and, more fundamentally, do we need) a definition of "equality" that
is not "conventionally liberal"? You have already begun to answer these
questions, I think . . .
RL
Dear Judith,
Let me first answer some of the points raised by Reinaldo Laddaga in his
last message, which can serve as an introduction to my reactions to your
comments. First, I think that the play of differences is at the same
time an opening and a freezing of that play. I say this, because I
do not think that something such as an unrestricted play of differences
can be maintained, not even as an active ideal. I can only open up
the terrain of some historical possibilities by closing others. This
is equivalent to saying that it is politics, rather than the notion
of uncontaminated presence, that organizes social relations. On the
other hand, I do not understand what a "play of differences 'internal'
to itself" could be. If identity means difference, then the idea of a
"play of differences" internal to difference is something I do not fully
grasp. Instead, I think that the play of differences subverts any rigid
frontier between the internal and the external. This leads me to a terrain
within which I approach the last two questions from Reinaldo. I would
locate the notion of equality--from the point of view of the latter's
constitutive structuration--within the field of what I have called the
"logic of equivalence"; that is, a process by which the differential
nature of all identity is at the same time asserted and subverted. Now,
a chain of equivalences is by its very definition constitutively open;
there is no way of establishing its boundaries in a decontextualized
universe. (Trying to do the latter would be, quoting Quine, something
like asking how many points in Ohio are starting points.) Politics is,
in this respect, a double operation of breaking and extending chains of
equivalence. Any determinate political process in a concrete context is,
precisely, an attempt to partially extend equivalences and to partially
limit their indefinite expansion. I see liberalism as an attempt to fix
the meaning of equality within definite parameters (individualism, and
the rigid distinction between public/private, etc.) which are historically
limited and in many respects superseded--and not always in a progressive
direction--by the experience of contemporary politics. How to deconstruct
the basic liberal distinctions while keeping a democratic potential is,
as I see it, the task of radical democratic politics.
I come now, Judith, to your reactions to my comments. I am glad to find
that we are in agreement on most issues. Let us make, at the start,
a point of clarification. I certainly agree with you that "radical
contingency" is an unacceptable notion if we understand by it some
kind of abyss which creates a total lack of structuration. What
we are speaking of as the course of contingency is, rather, a
failed structuration. Thus, contingency--if it is properly
contextualized--should be reinscribed within the most primary field of
the distinction necessary (contextual necessity, of course, not
logical or causal necessity)/contingent. However, having constructed
contingency in this way, I would still say that it is radical in the
sense that within the limits of a partially destructured context
it can only appeal to itself as its own source. Would you buy this?
This leads me to the important issues that you raise, starting with your
critique of "proceduralism"--a critique which I subscribe to. I think
that the questions that Derrida
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poses in "Signature, Event, Context" need to be answered and to be
very attentive to the double dimension that they open. On the one
hand, he is saying that it is not possible to, strictly speaking,
attribute closed boundaries to a context. However, as his is not
an argument for a return to a Platonic, decontextualized meaning,
the very impossibility of delimiting contexts are all we are left
with. They have to be defined by their limits, and yet these limits
are impossible. Everything here turns around this evanescent object,
the "limit," which is something like the presence of an absence. Or,
to put it in Kantian terms, an object which shows itself through
the impossibility of an adequate representation. Now, my own view is
that if this limit is impossible but also necessary--something
like Lacan's "objet petit a"--it will have to, one way or the other,
enter into the field of representation. But as it is necessary yet
also impossible its representation will be constitutively
inadequate. A particular difference within the limits will
always have to assume the role of limit and, in this way, to fix
(to close within itself) a transient context. This relation of
fixity/unfixity by which an "ontic" content assumes the "ontological"
function of constituting a transient context is, as you know, what
I call a hegemonic relation. As you see, it involves the Derridean
critique of boundaries, but it attempts to prolong it with a notion
of the dialectic between impossibility/necessity which makes possible
the construction of hegemonic contexts.
This gives me a starting point to begin some sort of response to the
questions involved in our exchange. What differences are acceptable
or nonacceptable? We both agree that the question cannot be answered
outside any context and, also, that the notion of context is far from
being an unproblematic one. If contexts, however, are constituted the
way I suggest, you have various advantages: (1) you can make compatible
the ultimate instability of limits with actual limitations; (2) you
have certain rules to decide what will count as a valid inclusion or
exclusion, it will depend on the actual hegemonic configuration of certain
community; (3) this hegemonic configuration is not a simple datum but
the result of the transient articulation between concrete content and
universalization of the community through the construction of a limit
which has no necessary link to that content; that hegemonic configuration
is always open to contestation and change. In this way we can reach a more
democratic view than in the case in which the hegemonic configuration
depended on a noncontingent link between context-limiting/constitution
function and actual content playing that role of limit; (4) finally,
the unevenness that hegemonic games introduce within differential social
identities allows us to solve some of the aporias connected to the "play
of differences," and allows us to approach the logic through which those
differences are constituted in our actual political world. I wait for
your reaction.
Best,
Ernesto
Dear Ernesto,
There is much in your last text to think about, and I hope to be able
to probe some of the questions raised in what follows.
I very much agree with your formulation of the logic of equivalence,
namely, as a "process by which the differential nature of all identity is
at the same time asserted and subverted." And I wonder whether thinking
about equivalence does not significantly alter the kinds of quandaries
brought up by the question of equality. It always seemed to me that you
and Chantal Mouffe were trying to underscore a structural openness (and,
hence, a "poststructuralism") in the problem of identity that would at
once honor the place of identity in contemporary political formations
and yet dishonor its foundational or "ontological" claim. I gather that
the point about contingency that you raise in the
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subsequent paragraph speaks to the question of identity and equivalence
as well: to the extent that all identities fail to be fully structured,
they are each equally (although not substantively or "ontically")
formed through the same constitutive failure. This "same-ness" is
interesting since it is not to be rigorously understood in terms of a
given "content" of identity. On the contrary, it is what guarantees the
failure of any given "content" to successfully lay claim to the status
of the ontological or what I call the "foundational." I understand that
you seek recourse to Lacan to explain this lack or failure, and that
is probably where I would differ with you, a difference in emphasis,
since I think that the failure of any subject formation is an effect of
its iterability, its having to be formed in time, again and again. One
might say, via Althusser, that the ritual through which subjects are
formed is always subject to a rerouting or a lapse by virtue of this
necessity to repeat and reinstall itself.
But I do wonder whether failure, for both of us, does not become a
kind of universal condition (and limit) of subject formation; a way
in which we still seek to assert a common condition which assumes
a transcendental status in relation to particular differences. To
the extent that, no matter what our "difference," we are always only
partially constituted as ourselves (and this, as a result of our
being constituted within a field of differentiations), and to what extent
are we also bound together through this "failure"? How does the limitation
on subject constitution become, oddly, a new source of community or
collectivity or a presumed condition of universality? I would like to
know more about how a contextual necessity is established. Is there a
background or context that forms the tenuous yet necessary horizon of what
we call "context"? Would the context that is also partially destructured,
that does not yet fully assume the status of the ontological, also have a
necessity that, strictly speaking, isn't a logical or causal necessity,
but perhaps a historical necessity of some kind? Is it a spatialized
historical necessity (Benjamin thought that post-teleology history would
have to be read in a landscape)? And what are the conditions under which
such a necessity becomes readable to us as such?
I gather that in your notion of democratic hegemony, there will always
be a radical incommensurability between content and universalization,
but that the two will also always engender one another in some way. The
democratic task would be to keep any given universalization of content
from becoming a final one, that is, from shutting down the temporal
horizon, the futural horizon of universalization itself. If I understand
this correctly, then I agree with it wholeheartedly.
I wonder, then, whether we might conclude our conversation by turning to
the question of the "Americas," a term that figures in the rubric under
which our conversation takes place. I ask it because it is so interesting
to see, for instance, in "American Studies," as it takes place in the
United States, how the borders of the Americas are drawn. It is often
the case that the borders become synonymous with the United States, at
which point the border of the epistemological object, "Americas," encodes
and dissimulates a history of colonialism. Or when it is restricted
to the continent of North America, excluding South America and the
islands in between, there are certain stories one cannot tell about
trade, slavery, and colonial expansion. What becomes interesting is how
we might think about equality under this rubric, where the "subject"
at hand is not exactly an identity, but a political imaginary, where
the very boundaries of what is meant by a pluralized "Americas" remain
importantly uncertain. Clearly the question of equality or, indeed, of
equivalence, cannot be asked of an entity, "the Americas," if the very
delimitation of that phenomenon remains to be known. Or is there a way of
posing the question of equality without claiming to know, in advance, in
what this phenomenon consists? Or even more importantly, is there a way
of posing the question of equality that opens up the question of what the
"Americas" are, what they are to become? How does one press the futural
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possibility wihin the ontic articulation in order to ward off its
foreclosure as the ontological?
Best,
Judith
Dear Judith,
The problems that you raise in your last text would, indeed, require
more thought and space than the limits of this exchange allow me to
give. Let me, however, address some of your basic points.
1. You say, concerning my notion of democratic hegemony, that if you
understand it correctly, then you agree with it wholeheartedly. As a
matter of fact, you have perfectly understood it, so there is no quarrel
between us about this central point of my argument.
2. On our difference of emphasis concerning the failure of any given
content to lay claim to the status of the "foundational," let me say
the following. I entirely agree with you "that the failure to which
any subject formation yields is an effect of its iterability." This
formulation presents, however, an ambiguity. For it is perfectly possible
to think of this iterability as something whose recurrence--or, rather,
linearity--cancels the ontological difference, i.e., whose movement is
at any stage incomplete (and in that sense a failure), but which as a
system does not leave anything outside itself. In that case we would
be in the realm of Hegel's Greater Logic: the failure of each single
stage cannot be represented as such, because its "for itself" is a
higher stage and, ergo, there is never constitutive failure, no ultimate
deadlock. The insistence of Being through its various manifestations is
nothing beyond the sequence of the latter. What, however, if the logic of
the failure/iteration is not the logic of the Aufgehoben, if what
insists in iteration is the contingency of the series, the hopelessness
of its attempt at an ultimate closure? In that case, this moment of
failure, of hopelessness, cannot elude the field of representation. The
variety of the insistence, the presence of the absence of the object
which sustains any possible iteration has to have some form of discursive
presence. The failure of the ontological absorption of all ontic content
opens the way to a constitutive "ontological difference" that makes
power, politics, hegemony, and democracy possible. Now, you think that
this involves, as far as I'm concerned, taking a Lacanian viewpoint. I
am not entirely sure about that. What I am trying to do is to detect the
multiplicity of discursive surfaces in which this irreducible "ontological
difference" shows itself in modern and postmodern philosophy and political
theory. Lacan's theory is certainly one of those surfaces. But I would
not claim that it is the main--let alone the only--one.
3. Finally, "America." As you point out, "America" is some sort of
empty ambiguous signifier: it can mean both South and North America,
but it can also mean only the latter. This means that (North) American
functions as an unmarked term, while the series of suffixes that
construct the mark of the South involves, in its succession, a whole
history of imperialist domination. America without distinctions
was the discourse of subordination of the South to the North: the
Monroe doctrine. "Hispano-America," the name of an older colonialism;
"Ibero-America," the widening of the latter to include Portugal. Finally,
"Latin America" was an invention of French colonialism, at the time of the
Maximilian empire in Mexico, to legitimize an intervention which could
cut the links with both the Iberic past and a rising (North) American
imperialism. The fact that French intervention in the continent had no
future made "Latin-" an innocuous enough prefix for it to function as a
political frontier separating the South from the imperialist interventions
of the North.
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The question, however, which remains to be answered is this: has the
signifier "America" without distinctions, without separation of the South
from the North, any positive role to play as far as the Latin American
peoples are concerned? My answer is no, I do not think there is any
political gain for Latin America in playing around with the possibility
of a community of destiny with the Anglo-American peoples. However, what
about the Afro-American and the Hispanic minorities in North America:
is there, for them, any language game to play around the ambiguities,
the floating character of the signifier "America"? The answer, in
this case, has to be different. It would be definitely wrong to think
that the signifier "America" is, for those groups, once and forever
fixed to the narrow history represented by the white Anglo-American
tradition. Enlargement of the discourse of rights, of pluralist discourses
which recognize the demands of ethnic, national, and sexual groups can
be presented as a widening of freedoms and rights to equality which were
contained in the (North) American political imaginary from its inception,
but which were restricted to limited sections of the population. This
multicultural and free "America" will be the locus of much more ambiguous
and open significations, but it is this openness and ambiguity which
gives its meaning to a democratic political culture.
Best,
Ernesto
Judith Butler teaches in the Department of Rhetoric at the University
of California, Berkeley.
Ernesto Laclau teaches in the Department of Government at the
University
of Essex in England.
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