"68_carlos_radio" - читать интересную книгу автора (Castaneda Carlos)

cannot postpone anything. You cannot let it go for the next day, cause you
lose everything. Since I think I work compulsively, I was capable of writing
down everything that took place very, very shortly after the events themselves.

Q: I must say that many of the dialogues are extremely fascinating documents.
Don Juan, as you record his remarks has a certain amount of eloquence and
imagination.

CC: Well one thing, he's very artful with usual words and he thinks of himself
as a talker, although he doesn't like to talk. But he thinks that talking is
his predilection, as other men of knowledge have all the predilections like
movement, balance. His is talking. That is my good fortune to find a man
that would have the same predilection that I have.

Q: Now, one of the things that's most impressive about the book is the
remarkable chances that you seem to have taken under don Juan's tutelage;
that is, he introduced you to various chemicals, substances, some of which,
clearly I suppose could have been fatal if they had not been used carefully.
How did you manage to work up sufficient trust in this man to down all of
the concoctions that he put before you?

CC: The way the books present it seems to heighten some dramatic sequences,
which is, I'm afraid, not true real life. There are enormous gaps in between
in which ordinary things took place, that are not included. I didn't include
in the book because they did not pertain to the system I wanted to portray,
so I just simply took them away, you see. And that means that the gaps
between those very height states, you know, whatever, says that I remove
things that are continuous crescendos, in kind of sequence leading to a very
dramatic solution. But in real life it was a very simple matter because it
took years in between, months pass in between them, and in the meantime we
did all kinds of things. We even went hunting. He told me how to trap
things, set traps, very old, old ways of setting a trap, and how to catch
rattlesnakes. He told me how to prepare rattlesnakes, in fact. And so that
eases up, you see, the distrust or the fear.

Q: I see. So there was a chance for you to build up a tremendous amount of
confidence in this man.

CC: Yes, we spent a lot of time together. He never told me what he was gonna
do, anyways. By the time I realized, I was already too deep into to turn back.

Q: Now, the heart of the book, at least as far as my reading was concerned,
certainly the most fascinating part of the book, has to do with your
experiences with what you term non-ordinary reality, and many of these
experiences as you recount them have a great deal of cogency to them; that
is, they are experiences that seem to come very close to demonstrating the
validity of practices like divination, and then on the other hand you have
experiences that, at the time, seemed to have been tremendously vivid
experiences of flight and of being transformed into various animal forms,
and often you suggest a sense of some ultimate revelation taking place.