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Dimensions, February 1992

BEING-IN-DREAMING

FLORINDA DONNER IN CONVERSATION WITH ALEXANDER BLAIR-EWART

Florinda Donner is a longtime colleague and fellow dream-
traveler of Carlos Castaneda and the acclaimed author of The
Witch's Dream and Shabono. Her latest book Being-In-Dreaming: An
Initiation into the Sorcerer's World, an autobiographical account
of her halting, sometimes unwilling, often bewildering initiation
into the works of being-in-dreaming, has recently been released
and will be available in Canada in the Spring. Anthropologist and
sorceress, Florinda Donner lives in Los Angeles, California and
Sonora, Mexico.

ALEXANDER BLAIR-EWART: Now, at the beginning of the book, you
talk about how you become drawn into a living myth. Can you talk
about that mythology?

FLORINDA DONNER: It's a living myth. Well the myth of the Nagual
is a myth, but a myth that is being relived over and over again.
You see, the myth that exists is the myth that there is the
Nagual and that he has his troop of people, apprentices,
sorcerers. Actually I'm not an apprentice of Don Juan. I was an
apprentice of Castaneda who was an apprentice of Don Juan. And I
am one of the 'sisters' who were actually of the women of
Florinda, and she gave me her name. So, in that sense, it is a
myth which exists. They didn't care that I called them witches.
It has no evil connotations for them . From the western point of
view, the idea of a brujo, or a witch, has always a negative
connotation. They couldn't care less, because for these people,
the abstract quality of sorcery voids automotatically [sic] any
positive or negative connotation of the term. We are apes on one
level, but we have this other magical side. In that sense we
relive a myth.

ABE: So the myth of the Nagual is that there is an unbroken
lineage from the ancient Toltecs right down to modern times. I'm
wondering if I can get you to talk about what the pattern of the
myth actually is.

FLORINDA D: Well, there is no pattern of the myth. That's why
the whole thing is so baffling and so difficult. When I first got
involved with these people my main quest, my main aberration,
which I came to call it later, was that I wanted to have some
rules and regulations about what the hell it is I had to do.
There were none. There is no blueprint. Because each new group
has to find their own way to deal with this idea of trying to
break the barriers of perception. The only way we can break the